* In a normal world that wasn't overwhelmed by the upside down view through the looking glass, this would cause outrage. Justification maybe for some of the call up resistance?
* To those who contend that the Constitutional amendment on same sex marriage doesn't breed hate, I would argue it plants the seeds needed to germinate those emotions.
* Paranoid yet? I thought we needed to protect ourselves from "them" not "us".
* Backscratching 101.
* The outgoing Secretary of State developed a bit of a credibility gap as a result of his tenure... the incoming one, brings one with.
Posted by kerry at November 16, 2004 10:30 PM | TrackBackI have recently come around on the issue of gay marriage. While I have been one of those who argue that the gay marriage issue is not one of hate I am beginning to see how creating legislation to forbid a group of people from doing something that another group of people is allowed and encouraged implies a second class citizenship. And it becomes more and more difficult to explain to our children that we believe in equality for all and as it becomes more difficult the seeds of hatred germinate and one day we realize that hating people because of their sexual orientation (regardless of whether its a matter of choice or a matter of physiology) has become generally accepted practice. And it's perfectly reconcilable for Christians to hate the sin but love the sinner so it's not as though a true Christian in support of gay marriage can be accused of sacrilege. It's never reconcilable for a Christian to justify hatred of any sort towards their fellow man and woman.
Posted by: andy at November 16, 2004 11:59 PMThe monkeys, like much of the left wing bloggers, mainstream media, and small media outlets continue to provide the islamic-facist extremist terrorist much propaganda for use in recruiting and training future one-way pilots.
It also amazes me how many people claim to support the troops all the while bad mouthing them and second guessing them. Much of what I have seen written by the AP and then linked to by so many left wing blogs is very Kerryian in nature. First of all, many of these who choose to criticize the tactics our troops use do so in a very generalizing manner implying that all of our troops are guilty of these supposed war crimes. Sounds like Kerry testifying before the Senate in 1971 (or was it 2?). Second of all, too many continue to refer to the Geneva Convention like it even applies to this war. What foreign government is enforcing the Geneva Convention on the Chechyans, the Syrians, the Iranians, and the many other Arab terrorists who are coming into Iraq solely with the purpose of killing Americans and Iraqis? If we were at war with another country then we'd possibly be able to use the Geneva Convention to enforce "fair rules of war." It's ok for them rig the injured and dead to blow up? It's ok for them to continue fighting after they are injured yet we are not allowed to kill them if they have been injured? Get my point? They are not fighting according to the rules of the Geneva Conventios yet we are expected to? You cannot win a war of any sort if you do not use the same tactics employed by your enemy to defeat your enemy. Really how many of our US Marines are going to be transported, when injured, to a hospital by these foreign terrorists fighting in Iraq. Do not cripple our troops with the Geneva Convention as we are not fighting a war with a foreign government with an established command and control that we can bitch to as they continously violate the Geneva Convention.
One day a terrorist training camp will be invaded and the classroom used to teach an abject hatred of Americans will be filled with video tapes of AP, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. reports. The walls will be plastered with news stories and print outs of blogs, like this one, of these supposed war crimes all the while ignoring the extreme tactics used by their own. How can you condemn the actions of US Marines against people who decapitate civilians while alive? How can you condemn the actions of US Marines against the same people who shot a 60 something year old aid worker in the head at point blank range and then mutilated her body before leaving her in the street? And this is no longer a case of "we are better than that" as that's only going to get us killed. We must be willing, as a nation and a people, to do whatever it is that we must to win this war against islamic facism and terrorism.
Posted by: Andy at November 17, 2004 12:23 AMThe Gay Marraige cause would gain a lot more momentum if the stopped the focus on male couples and moved towards female. The fact of the matter is that straight men would be more FOR gay marraige if there were more women involved. Trust me, lesbian couples are mostly appealing.
I believe this is a focus issue that conservatives are using, like abortion, to take the focus off of issues that matter to the 98% of the population that are not gay. Watch the inaction on this, there is no hurry for a resolution from either side.
Don't be duped.
Posted by: CB at November 17, 2004 04:52 AMWhat do straight men have to do with women who love women? Your statement that lesbianism is appealing is offensive. Appealing to whom? Straight men? Believe me, for lesbians, straight men aren't even in the equation, and lesbians don't care what straight men think of them. So because straight men might find it appealing, it's OK? Give me a break. I'll never understand why anybody cares so much about two adults who love each other.
Let me guess. You don't personally know any lesbians, do you.
On the other hand, I completely agree about bringing up the entire issue - Republicans are very clever and crafty at diversion. "War going bad? Let's pick on the gays!" Good grief.
Posted by: LR at November 17, 2004 11:16 AMAndy, Andy, Andy. While I'm glad to see that you're coming around on gay marriage, you once again have missed the mark in regards to your comments on our current situation. Since you seem to be the type who prefers his morality in simple black and white, I'll try to put this in a way you'll understand.
First, I have yet to read a single report that characterizes all of our troops as war criminals, which I find slightly ironic considering that technically speaking the war, in and of itself, is a war crime.
Second, regarding the Geneva convention and its application in our current situation. Yes, its terrible that the terrorists don't abide by the Geneva convention, but that’s what bad guys do: they break the rules. That's why they are the bad guys. If the good guys break the rules too, then they become bad guys. Or put another way, if you fight evil with evil, then by definition evil will win. (This by the way also holds true for fundamentalism, so your "we must be willing to do anything" comment is also logically flawed.)
Third, anyone who believes that you can fight a war against a tactic is sadly mistaken. Our current fight is against a particular set of Fundamentalist Muslims, not with terrorism. If we were fighting terrorism, then we would obviously have to start with the largest state sponsor of terrorism the world has ever seen: the U.S. (If you don't believe me on this point, I would kindly refer you to any history book written about Guatemala, Argentina or virtually any other Latin or south American country. Or for that matter any book regarding Wilsonian politics or the United Fruit Company.)
I find it amusing that your are so vehemently against the Islamic version of fascism, given that you ceaselessly propound its precepts.
LR, I do know some lipsticks and they are HOT!
The only people who would be offended would be gay males, cuz I don't care what they do.
MEN! They're always wanting what they can't have... ;-)
Posted by: LR at November 18, 2004 10:52 AMThe Geneva convention has never applied unless the uniform of the country respresented is being worn. Do your homework. In WWII all sides executed any and all combatants not wearing uniforms or wearing uniforms of countries other their own.