100 monkeys typing.

These guys have been around a while from what I recall. I think some of them got started in the late '90s.

I view 'em the same as I view the idiots who want to leave the country just because Bush got re-elected. Fine by me if that's your attitude: get the fuck out, loser. That just leaves more room for sane people who don't hate their own country just because they don't get everything their way.

For once I completely agree with Lulu even if I don't agree with her presentation. The attacks and name calling really serve no purpose.

I am of a religion that believes in and worships Christ as the Messiah, the Savior. But I'm betting I wouldn't be welcome in South Carolina by these boneheads because they are likely the same Christians that write off my beliefs as cultish and anti-Christian.

I oppose abortion, but not so much on a religious level. However, I also believe that there are exceptions to the rule (rape, incest, mother's life in danger, severe genetic fetal defects). I oppose abortion as a form of birth control. I don't believe in using abortion as an eraser.

However, from that point on I pretty much differ from evangelical Christian desires that target homosexuals for intolerance, denigrate other religions, or attempt to legislate morality. I also think that if Christians would spend more time "hating the sin and not the sinner" and spend more time doing works of charity they'd speak far greater volumes of Christ's love than they do by denigrating "sinners."

Gathering all Christians to a single state, is just plain stupid and I'm not sure they should be taken all that serious. But if they are going to do it, why South Carolina? A warm weather state? If they are serious, then let them move to Montana or North Dakota where there is plenty of open land because the weather tends to be so inhospitable that people don't live there by choice.

It doesn't scare me. Think about it - these people are so convinced in their faith, even if they did manage to overwhelm a state with a majority, how long would it be until they fractured into 300 different denominations?

Oh, and I'm a very serious Christian. But that prevent me from seeing how ridiculious this whole scheme is.

Why poo-poo someones ideas when it doesn't reflect your own? Its a movement, and if it is not popular, it will fail. When attacks are cruel (as yours), it will only victimize those who are attacked. Please don't let this happen.

Please, be a little more open minded. I don't know how much more radically different this is from PETA (www.peta.org) or the American Communist Party (www.cpusa.org )

.....as far as getting a message out.

If Lulu's perspective causes this "group" of people to incur a sense of victimization, they've got more problems than originally assumed. Cessation of sorts based on religious belief is somewhat reminiscant of early American history. Course this means the indigenous people and those who appear to have a penchant for the goth look might want to duck and cover.

Right wing conservative christians have absolutely no reason or biblical scholarship to cry victim. They have absolutely hijacked anything that was ever good about christianity and have transformed it into a hateful creed which must be fought tooth and nail by everyone including those who belong to different religions and even those of us who have left our churches for one reason or another. Why? Because they are trying to merge a hateful faux christian church with the state and form a theocracy.

Evangelicals are just another splinter group with no spirituality or learned scholars. It's blind obedience brought on by fear of hell. That is no way to run a church. Even the Catholics figured that out.

Thanks for the link, lulu! Great blog you have here

Kerry .. it's not her perspective, it's her presentation. It is widely held opinion that negative attacks and vile insults only diminish one's point of view. Profanity and insults do not demonstrate passion. Rather they demonstrate an inability to communicate in a rational manner often found in those that are intolerant, ignorant, or immature. Often Lulu loses me because of her presentation, not her message. If she'd lose the insults and profanity I'd be more willing to focus on the message and perhaps, just perhaps, she'd get me (and others) to sway to her point of view. As you personally know, I'm not completely immovable in my dogma and ideology. I'm stubborn, but not impossible.

Dean, their website says that they began "in November 2003 as a response to the moral degeneration of our nation and the lack of any determination by the Republican Party to return our nation to its Constitutional moors." Like I said - Ignorant. I agree that they are losers. I could give a shit if they take South Carolina. (Doubtful that this can really happen but let them have their little fantasy.) My passion, my anger is over ignorance. Always. Forever. Amen. Education is THE KEY to everything. Only willful ignorance allows this kind of thinking. It frustrates me that any person or group of people are so consumed by FEAR of the unknown - the unknown being defined as everyone and everything outside of their narrow view - that they would ignore REALITY. Not to mention interpret passages of the Bible to justify their hatred while completely ignoring those that don't fit into their way of thinking.

Andy, this is the way I talk. Get used to it. And didn't you storm away in a huff not too long ago?

King, I never used the word scared or fear except to describe the individuals who founded this cult. I don't fear them. Their unbelievable stupidity angers me. Just look at the bulleted items they list under "The Problem." Doesn't that piss you off? They have appropriated the name of Jesus and Christianity for their own puposes. I would think that anyone who is actually Christian and lives as a Christian would be angry that these morons have hijacked the religion.

CB, Poo-poo? Okay. Whatever. I disagree with these YAHOOS and until BushCo take away my right to disagree - and vehemently so - then that's what I'm doing here. Be open-minded about willful ignorance? Not possible.

disagree vs. vehemently disagree? There is no doubt that the manipulation of ones faith has been used to create a dependency from one group onto the other (give one group power). But you object in the fact that the Bible is being used in such ways. Thats fine. But that gives me two questions:

How does this differ from other fears that are sold to us through the media? Isn't that creating a dependency? Isn't that based on fear? (EX: Homeland Security)

Or is it more specific to the misuse of the Bible? If thats the case, and you have such an interest in the good in it, why don't you teach the good that it has to offer?

Also, in the midwest vernacular, to poo-poo an idea is a slang term to shoot it down.

Again, shoot it down is a slang term for disregarding with prejudice ;)

Perhaps I did storm away in a huff, but being open-minded by nature I came back because I missed the entries from Kerry and Dave. I needed my fix of Kerry's snarky outlook on all things conservative and Dave's wit. I find much that interests me in the links they post. I enjoy the "other side's perspective" especially without profanity and insults.

By stating "this is the way I talk" are you admitting to the widely held opinion of profanity and insults in debate that you are intolerant, ignorant, or immature?

"disagree vs. vehemently disagree?"
I have no idea what you're trying to communicate here. I said I vehemently disagree.

"How does this differ from other fears that are sold to us through the media? Isn't that creating a dependency? Isn't that based on fear? (EX: Homeland Security)"
There is absolutely no difference. Watch "Bowling for Columbine" and get back to me when you fully understand the subject matter. I recommend the film because it will educate efficiently. If you prefer, I could recommend a reading list. I don't have the time or the inclination to educate you here.

"Or is it more specific to the misuse of the Bible?"
Interpreting the Bible to justify hatred and bigotry is just one factor. There are many variables at play in the programming of the evangelical congregation.

"If thats the case, and you have such an interest in the good in it, why don't you teach the good that it has to offer?"
How do you know I don't? You have no idea who I am or what I do. Don't assume.

"Also, in the midwest vernacular, to poo-poo an idea is a slang term to shoot it down."
I know what poo-poo means. It's a pretty popular word with the potty-training set.

Oh Andy, Andy, Andy. Life is filled with both the sacred and the profane. In the U.S. of A. we live in a secular society - hopefully forever. They are all words and I have a love for words. for example, I think the word f.u.c.k. is absolutely beautiful. I love the sound of it. I love the way it feels in my mouth. I love that it has a million different meanings with just the slightest change of inflection or context in which it is used defining each. Get over it or let it bother you - it matters not to me. Tell ya what, just look at the end of each post here and if you see "Posted by lulu" just skip it? 'K? There's a good boy.

1. They mean the same thing.

2. That is my point, however, the fear mongering that you protest to is usually focused at either some type of religious institution or our executive branch. Why not cover all of it? (Nightly Newscasts are great sources, per BFC)

3. I agree, however, I doubt you would find one group of evangelicals that would agree fully with another, and is't there hatred and bigotry in countries that don't follow the Bible?

And "How do you know I don't?" Well, I know you don't here, and this is what I have to work with.

And if it is needed you can get one of these (its clean):

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Blondesense, Thanks! I love your work. Thank you for the photo of Bush at a "goddang hoe-down." Between you and Rude Pundit's remarks on it (loved "holy wardrobe malfunction!") I was amused for days. Thanks for "Isn't this dangerous? Just asking." And most of all thank you for your recent posts regarding, "The Reverends on Meet the Press." Spot on commentary. I hope a lot of people read it. You continue to be insightful and inspirational as well as highly entertaining. I turn to you for a daily dose of sanity. Many thanks. Blog on, Sister!

Oh come on now, CB. Vehemently (adjective meaning intensely emotional, impassioned) and Disagree (intransitive verb meaning to fail to agree) do not mean the same thing. "I disagree, vehemently so." demonstrates the degree to which I disagree.

Yes, I am opposed to all fear-mongering whatever the source. I do not watch television. Ever. Mainstream "news" is a crock. Fear-mongering is rampant throughout our society. We agree on this.

Sure there is hatred and bigotry in other countries. It exists everywhere. We live in the USA and we're discussing hatred and bigotry that exist here. Perhaps I'll post regarding bigotry and hatred in Japan next time. For today though, the discussion is about America.

I am very interested in doing good. This forum is where I voice my concern/anger/frustration over injustice and the state in which we find ourselves in this country today. It is not my duty in this forum to demonstrate virtue. You still have no idea what actions I take in my day-to-day existence that put Jesus' teachings into practice. And that's fine. Your awareness, or lack thereof, does nothing to diminish my deeds.

Humor is entirely subjective, CB. Let's just say that I do not suffer fools gladly.

Hey Potty Mouth .. guess what I don't have to look for the "Posted by Lulu" to know it was you. All I have to do is read a little bit and you'll have insulted everyone in the whole world that doesn't see things through your narrow-minded dark glasses of hate and intolerance. You are such a hypocrite. The entire time you insult those you consider closed minded bigots you demonstrate that you are the same closed minded bigot, just on the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. They are intolerant of those who don't live a "Biblical life" (whatever the heck that means) while you are intolerant of those who choose to live a "Biblical life". Your kind will never win in this world. I hope you convince the DNC to listen to you and "frame" the party into a party of the urban dwellers. Oh.. wait who am I kidding... the DNC listen to you? Yeah.. that'll never happen.

Really now Andy. Your intense desire for my approval is so transparent, why I may just blush! Otherwise, why would you keep coming back here with these little missives intended for little ole me? Because, you know, not too long ago you said you were going away for good. And you hrumphed off into the twilight, with a, "You won't have Andy-the-Frightened to kick around anymore! No Sir! Cuz I'm outta here. Here I go. Yup. This is me....going!" Alas, that did not transpire, did it? You must really value my opinion. Bless your heart.

However, if you want to enter into a discussion with me, please try to keep up! If you have a retention problem, then go back and re-read previous posts. I realize you have to have things endlessly repeated in short sound bites - as is the Republican way - but I really don't want to have to do that here. The other folks with better reading skills will get bored. But, what the heck. Just this once. For you.

I don't have a problem with Christians. I have a problem with the radical evangelical sect of the Christian religion who have hijacked Jesus' name and use the Bible to justify hate and bigotry. I have a problem with willful ignorance. I have a problem with any attempt to turn this nation into a theocracy. That isn't being Christian by any definition and we even previously agreed on this. Why I even say in this very post that if someone wants to do this-that-or-the-other in pursuit of their religious freedom, it's absolutely none of my business. Live and let live. As long as you let me live the way I choose without forcing your ideology on me. See? I've said all of this before, Andy. Do you remember now? Alrighty then!

Hmmm. "Insulted everyone in the whole world," Andy? Isn't that just a wee, tiny bit of an exaggeration? Come on now. I think we both know better. Okay Sweetie?

"My kind will never win in this world?" I'm not sure what "my kind" is but it's comforting to know that there's a group of us! Never win? Well, you just keep telling yourself that, Sugar. If it makes you feel better, by all means, repeat it like a mantra until you're foaming at the mouth. I'm pretty darn successful by anyone's standards so thus far being "my kind" has worked out okay. And besides, I "win" every day that I wake up and greet the morning.

And oh yes, thanks ever so for "potty mouth!" It's an expression so rarely used in adult conversation and I really enjoy hearing things I haven't heard since 7th grade. You're the best!

Lulu... I'll offer you the same advice. Please try to keep up. My original response was to your article was "For once I completely agree with Lulu even if I don't agree with her presentation. The attacks and name calling really serve no purpose. For what it's worth I have a problem with evangelicals hijacking Christianity to justify hate and bigotry. I have a problem with willful ignorance. I have a problem with the thought of a theocracy. But I also have a problem with intolerance from the left of the religious right. I have a problem with ad hominem attacks and insults that are intended to demonstrate passion but only continue to promote hatred and bigotry. Hatred and bigotry know no bounds and cross the entire ideological spectrum.

I'm not storming off in a "hrmph." I was irate but unlike you I apparently have the ability to "get over things". Unlike you I can engage in debate without being insulting to those who deviate from my point of view.

And your reference to "andy-the-frightened" is ironic considering it is you that often references to "living this hell one day at a time" and "another day another nightmare" and so on. By all appearances it is you that is frightened.

By your kind I mean "the bitter and vile." Those that do not have the ability to form intelligent thought without insults and profanity. Those who take any attempts at debate as personal attacks on their ideology.

You accuse me of repeating sound bites yet isn't this whole blog essentially no more than links to a thousand other web sites with a bit of editorial comments to those links? How much of this blog is really original thought? Everytime you use the "Frame" reference to winning the next election, aren't you repeating something you read and posted here? You didn't even come up with the idea of framing the liberal and Democratic supporters in 2008 into the urban party. I'm not saying it's a bad idea to use others writings and ideas in your personal ideological base, but don't be hypocritical about it.

Now, perhaps I could offer you an olive branch? I apologize for the direct insults. I apologize if I have said anything that you have taken personally. I'm really not a bad guy and enjoy a good debate. I don't particularly care for insults and profanity as it c h e a p e n s (Kerry has that word in the dictionary of words not allowed so I have to cheat) the debate. Perhaps you aren't "bitter and vile" as stated above. Perhaps you are a very happy person full of life and love, but I haven't seen it through all the insults and bitterness.

I didn't post that twice for emphasis. I don't know what happened but it's likely user error... Like I clicked the post twice perhaps? Kerry or Lulu or Dave? Can you remove one of the two entries?

For the love of God, Andy, give it a rest. Life is too short. Let it go.

Give it a rest? Let it go? What? That's exactly what you'd really like, huh? Actually I have a better idea: I'm going to see how long I can keep you going from dialog to dialog, just because. Just because I can and just because I don't believe that you can let it go.

And FWIW: You just proved #4, #5, and #6 from Ann Coulter's "How To Talk To A Liberal, If You Must." But then, FWIW again, on other posts you've also proven #1 through #3 and even #7 through #10.

Knock yourself out, Dude. You're a heart attack waiting to happen.

I'm a heart attack waiting to happen? Ironic statement from a screaming, foaming-at-the-mouth, pissed at the right liberal that's one President Bush Supreme Court Justice Appointment away from a major coronary event. This stuff doesn't get my blood pressure up at all. It's just plain fun and thus relaxes me.